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Sunday, 13 September 2015

'The Man of God' on Rat Poison, Arsenic, and Church Sanctioned Exile


This is best passed to each and every Parliamentarian for evaluation and will be scrutinized by various Government bodies, the PDF can be viewed here; https://www.dropbox.com/s/ao9ike6ev6cf9g1/whitebook%20poison.pdf?dl=0

  I think BDH came perilously close to committing a criminal offence in public here, maybe he is suffering from the same symptoms as his illustrious forbear James Taylor Junior?

My own daughter was sent on a BDH endorsed exile junket (of the nature mentioned here).










































































39 comments:

  1. Were children and juveniles present at the Fellowship Meeting at Sutton on 9 June this year?

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    1. I cannot say with certainty what age ranges would be present at the meeting, but “little people” are expected to attend the meetings (BDH Vol. 16 page 218).

      Also, the transcript was circulated among Brethren all over the world in the form of one of this year’s “White Books”. The copyright is claimed by the Bible and Gospel Trust, which is a UK registered charity.

      Even young members of the Brethren are expected to read this kind of stuff (see BDH Vol. 48 page 266; Vol. 56 page 189; Vol. 93 page 203.) That includes children (Vol. 34 page 236; Vol. 77 page 113), those at school (Vol. 60 page 202) and those under 12 (Vol. 45 page 234).

      Brethren in general are expected to read thirty pages a day, or forty five minutes, but double that for younger brethren (BDH Vol. 88 page 5).

      So I don’t think there is any mechanism in place to protect the children from ministry like this.

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    2. I am not up to date regarding EB (PBCC) practice, but a current slogan is that the family is at the heart of all they do. I assume that all the children and young people in that area would be compelled to attend and also others from a distance might also attend, depending upon travelling and accommodation arrangements.

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  2. What a wicked, evil bastard (and a fuckwit to boot: "Has he got a mind trouble?"). I know where I'd like to stick a syringe full of cyanide.

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    1. I can understand your anger, and I don’t take you literally, but please don’t use words that could be taken to express a death wish.

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  4. Joan I am sure they would have been. Children attend all the meetings.
    Jill

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  5. Suicide Act 1961, Section 2, Criminal liability for complicity in another’s suicide.

    (1) A person who aids, abets, counsels or procures the suicide of another, or an attempt by another to commit suicide, shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.

    Definition of "to counsel"

    (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/counsel?q=to+counsel)

    verb 1.2 Recommend (a course of action).

    "He'd be better to take arsenic, or go and get rat poison or something, take a bottle of it...that would be better to finish yourself off that way than having to do with the opponents of the [Plymouth Brethren Christian Church (Exclusive Brethren)]".

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  6. Was the easily identifiable upon person under 18? This may actually be criminal.

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  7. I find this "ministry" appalling. It also confirms what I was sure was happening in the EBs (PBCC). When a young person with a questioning mind queries things, they are sent on a "trip" abroad. This isolates them from their family and known friends and they are vulnerable to believing that it is their normal questioning mind that is wrong.

    I know of cases where this is currently happening in the EBs and there is now no way of of contacting these individuals to try to support them.

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  8. 'the pastor was virtually apostate, just useless stuff' BDH

    Bruce, have you ever looked in a mirror, listened to recordings of your meetings or read your own white books? Same thing. Balance Sheet.

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  9. It has been reported that the ministry of the final months of James Taylor junior's life has been removed from the EB's bookshelves. I would suggest that the so called ministry reprinted above is deserving of a similar fate.
    It is utter rubbish and to make matters worse it is dangerous rubbish.
    Is there no one left in the Exclusive Brethren with the intelligence and the courage to stand up and condemn this garbage?

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  10. This is wicked and the police and authorities should be handed the information. It is one thing for BDH to utter such wickedness , but who are the fools who would allow it to be published.

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  11. My goodness! Now Bruce is pissed as a newt and they are printing this stuff! Words fail me.

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  12. I would advise anybody reading this drivel to copy it and send it immediately, with a letter of complaint, to their MP. Mine's done, but can anyone else be bothered? Where is the public benefit in this trash? The PBCC are just thumbing their noses at the Charity Commission.

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  13. The only positive message I gleaned from this quite dreadful and damaging diatribe was the quotation from the Stranger of Galilee. This old gospel hymn was written by a Methodist lady Leila N Morris. The words of the hymn convey more of the Christian gospel than the words uttered by BDH. Perhaps he learned the hymn in his early childhood before the harsh words of his uncle's father-in-law changed the course of Exclusive Brethrenism on to the road of becoming a cult.

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  14. Hales talks about poison being very difficult to eradicate, once it “gets in”. Does he realise the opposite has just happened to him? HIS poison, having leaked from HIS vile system, is now out there for all to see, replicated across countless servers, stored on innumerable hard drives and mobile devices, and he can never reverse that.

    Thank you for having the courage to publish it Laurie.

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    1. That is very true. This noxious ministry, like that of JTJr or JHS, or like the genie out of the bottle, can never be put back or covered up again. But there is a big difference in durability between the noxious ministry and the truth. Both will last, but their effects may not. The first can be convincingly refuted, but the latter cannot. The first will have effects that are only temporary, and affect only on those who are gullible, but the latter, once examined, will change people for ever.

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    2. When quoting these extracts, you should give the full title of the booklet. It is known unofficially as “White Book P 603” but its title page says
      NOTES OF MEETINGS
      B.D. HALES
      AND OTHER MINISTRY
      P 603

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  15. "NOTES OF MEETINGS
    B.D. HALES
    AND OTHER MINISTRY"
    I think you mean:
    TRANSCRIPT OF DRUNKEN RAMBLINGS
    B.S. HALES
    AND OTHER BLASPHEMY
    Shame! Shame! Shame!

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  16. It seems that on June 9th Colin Devenish in Sutton, Australia, asked a reasonable question, though in most church communities such a matter would always be raised privately with a leader, not in any kind of public forum. Bruce D Hales's horrific discussion of the best way to poison yourself and "finish yourself off", although he claims not to advocate suicide, seems to have shocked those present (he wonders whether they were "very shocked"). It's astonishing that it seems that no-one present tried to challenge him about all this and that this ministry was subsequently published for all the Brethren to read.

    I'm very concerned for the welfare of the young man concerned and the children and teenagers present at the meeting. The pressure that they're under because of that reprehensible ministry can only be destabilising and damaging.

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  17. No, this was ministered in the London Borough of Sutton in the UK, which to my mind would make it of considerable interest to the Charity Commission. Here is concrete evidence that ex-members are not being treated with any more compassion or respect now, than they were before the PBCC trust's signing of the Deed of Variation.

    Knappett and Reiner are names I remember from Sutton when I attended meetings there.

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    1. Thank you for that correction. Another correspondent has given another good reason to believe the meeting was held in Sutton, UK, so I think that settles it. This makes it more our problem than an Australian problem.

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  18. On this site we have a quotation from BDH about himself:-
    "I'm an extraordinary man with an incredible mental capacity and a global outlook given to me from God"
    Does the ill conceived imprudent counsel offered in the extracts above in relation to the physical mental and spiritual well- being of a disturbed young man confirm the opinion Mr Hales has of himself? In my opinion it does not but gives the impression that he is devoid of common sense and a very dangerous man to be in the position of leader of a cult whose members seem to regard him as the final arbiter and fount of all wisdom in matters where he appears to have no expertise whatsoever.

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    1. Anonymous15 September 2015 at 11:34
      Re the first paragraph.
      Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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  19. Quote from page 29: And I said, Look, the only way out for you is when the Lord takes you. I said, You’re not sick, I said. The Lord will take you and that’s how you’re going to get out of your position.

    What BDH means by the above regarding this ex-brethren member who is married to a Christian who has had her mind poisoned by other ex-brethren members, is that the Hales brethren are not going to let him back into their fellowship unless he leaves his wife. If he won’t leave his wife then when he dies “that’s how you’re going to get out of your position.” In other words the Hales brethren are not going to give an inch. Death is their standard of separation. It does make a mockery of the Charity Commission’s ruling.

    I am so thankful my children were not exposed to this damaging sort of stuff as they grew up; is he implying that it is better to be dead than live with his Christian wife ?
    C

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  20. This is straight up evil, and bizarre.

    What kind of 'religious' leader swears, ridicules and belittles a vulnerable person, rambles in this manner, suddenly starts denying the presence of alcohol, and shows such an interest in poison, methods of quick killing, and suicide?

    Many ex-brethren gives stories of this man's love for alcohol, his mockery and belittlement of followers especially behind their backs, his quick rage towards followers as is shown here towards this man Colin, and his utterly callous attitude towards anyone who crosses his will - especially those who see through him and turn away from worshiping him.

    What Mr Hales calls 'poison', the rest of us call freedom, life, truth, respect, human rights, personal conscience, ... I could go on. One is reminded of reading CS Lewis' Screwtape Letters, whereby everything of God is perceived as painful, destructive and evil by the devil. In the same way here, this devil of a man perceives all that is freedom and life as being poison!!!

    Hopefully the people in there can see the upside-down situation, and like the little boy in the story 'the Emperor's New Clothes', they have their eyes opened and see, not a splenderous wonderful man, but a fat old naked and narcissistic liar.

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    1. Oh How Wrong....
      I think BDH was simply emphasising just how fatal it is to be in the presence of opposed people or to take counsel from them.
      Better to flee to the Lord and wait on him, for he is the mighty counselor.
      Be careful about so called - "Human rights" as this comes from man's self will which is disobedience against God's rights and claims over us, his creation. Ever thought about God's rights? It helps us to arrive at a right judgement and shun those self destructive, poisonous and unhappy persons. Yup let's admit he's right.

      James

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    2. I’m glad you’re back, James, because it gives us a chance to discuss and explain our concerns and to get some insight into the way you and your brethren think. You seem to think that human rights are incompatible with God’s rights? Can you explain that a bit more?

      I agree that BDH was not trying to promote suicide. I think he was using extreme (and rather offensive) language to deter his followers from making contact with anyone who might tell them the truth, because he knows that if they discover the truth about Hales Brethrenism is it almost impossible for them to undiscover it again.

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  21. P31 BDH "you keep my boys out of this"

    If they are Christian, is the Spirit of God forbidden to speak through them?

    Matthew

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    1. Absolutely. There is one God and ONE mediator between God and man, the man Bruce Hales. Not Gareth Hales or anyone else. The next edition of the Darby Bible will be amended to make this clear.

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    2. Obviously BDH does not intend to hand on the EB empire an time soon!

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  22. It's important to move from the notion that Bruce David Hales is the leader of a Christian church. He isn't. He sort of leads a personality cult-cum-business enterprise which borrows random phrases from the holy book of another religion.

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  23. Has anyone been to a church service anywhere in the world where the minister tells everybody present how much alcohol he/she has drunk today?

    I sense the beginning of the end of Hales.

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  24. Some of what BDH says is right (P.27)

    Is there a scripture about a false teacher/prophet appearing like the real thing?

    Thomas

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    1. Could you be thinking about Deuteronomy 18:20? “But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, . . . must be put to death.”

      Fortunately for JTJr, JHS, JSH and BDH, we do not take that literally.

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  25. P.32 '...persons under discipline that are opposed to the truth, you're playing with fire and dealing with poison'

    Is that 'harassment'?
    I feel harassed by it. What do other people feel?

    Jim

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  26. Interesting point Jim

    I have no idea how long you have been free from the influence of the PBCC, but after leaving in 1989 I fell neither 'under discipline' or that what they hold to is 'the truth'. Having witnessed all their lies whilst still within the organisation, their version of 'truth' is anything but.

    I enjoy my freedom,the joy of real worship and fellowship and being able to make my own educated decisions on what is 'right' and what is 'sin', so I personally do not feel harassed.

    Harassment is when they come knocking at your door, uninvited and telling you your place is in the 'assembly'. That is unforgiveable, especially when it precipitates a mental breakdown. They tell us we're forgotten, so why the hell can't they leave us be?

    Mark

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